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RednecK cousiN : surviving a reactionary

[Almost everyone has one — the distant relative who’s idea of discussing politics is to shout everyone down. Michael Moore described the persona in his Dude, Where’s My Country with suggestions on how to hold on to your seat at the table, and the following variation comes from experience.]

 

 

 

 

 

You’re home for the holidays and at a family meal your redneck cousin slams his fist across the table and yells you’re a traitor. No, he’s not drunk. He means it.

 

Ridiculous, but here you are, caught in only your natural humor; open-eyed. Your relatives are now watching you and this man with the dirt-lot diction.

 

He knows anybody different is a threat to national security, and he’s caught you, talking left. Both his eyes come slowly round. You watch his neck pulse.

 

One look at this man and you know you’re dead.

 

He’s one of the Right, with a dream for the way this nation will be and nothing is going to get in the way. He’s one of the minimally educated who is suddenly in fashion on the talk circuit. The way he crowds his big frame over, section by section, tells you that you won’t stop him with details.

 

He starts. America has been broken. By socialists. It’s you he’s staring down.

 

How do you hold your ground?

 

First, try this: tell him that you don’t talk politics with people who are disconnected from politics. You can ask him if he even knows the names of his state’s two senators. But that doesn’t slow him down one breathing space. He says, it’s not a democracy, you college fag, America is a republic. It’s loyalty or nothing. Democracy, he bangs the table, has destroyed the country: mob rule.

 

And you see what kind of swamp you’ve fallen in.

 

You liberals, he spits again, are all about taking good people’s money away and spreading it around among the lazy, and that’s a theft, he shouts.

 

People at the table sit with bated breath. You have to find something inside you.

 

Otherwise you will lose this argument so bad.

 

A strange look, your cousin. Needle-sized pupils. He starts in on welfare. If you won’t get a job, you’ll get what’s coming.

 

You ask: and what about the 18% of America’s children living in poverty?

 

Get a job, he grunts. This brainstem of a man. That’s going to be his one-click answer to everything. Welfare, he says, weakens. Just spreads laziness around.

 

And this man is proud of his plethora of guns. Gun rack in the house.

 

Why, you ask: Expecting something?

 

He says: guns install equal opportunity. He says protecting property is life’s priority. He table-thumps: your property guarantees your freedom.

 

So tell him: to the contrary, guns everywhere just builds vigilance and paranoia. That installs pathology in our communities. Guns everywhere destroys the trust which is necessary for a unified nation.

 

That brings his face closer. His breathing sounds like unwrapping paper.

 

He won’t state it in these words, but in his reality the nation is divided. It’s natural. Inequality is in the nature of things.

 

Explain to him: Our freedom is guaranteed by our laws. Otherwise, you have a two-tier society and only the haves are free.

 

Tell him: Property is fine, but it makes us unequal. Always has. Always will.

 

Now he’s out of his chair, caught you.

 

The fashion these days is to blame racism on the older generation. But close up and shark eyed, he reminds you of the tattooed skinheads in the news. Very racist and very young. There’s a saying, in the North, that there are principles worth dying for. In the South people say, there are principles worth killing for.

 

He’s spitting: inequality is in the nature of things.

 

Ask him: and is that good or bad? Is he promoting inequality and injustice?

 

There’s this idea he won’t tell about: ‘natural law’. It’s his right and wrong. If it’s natural, like hierarchy, it’s lawful. Selfishness and war are natural things. But abortion is not part of nature and a violation so, evil. Unnatural. So, homosexuality. So, cloning. Those move him because they are against the natural order. But not hungry children: pain is part of nature.

 

He starts on this: caught you: he knows you liberals have a complicated, socialist book of rules written by wild-haired Marxists, to convert us to communism.

 

(Don’t forget, you wedge in, that President Bush took your taxes and spread it around Iraq and then spread it around failing banks.) And about corruption?

 

But prior to any corruption, he snatches the point back, is the threat of terrorism. The Iraq war settled that; a success, you deny it? War is in the nature of things. That’s the way it’s always been.

 

This cousin of yours who pisses turpentine.

 

(Your fantasy: These people who want war: collect them up, put them all on an island, give them guns. Then the rest of us can live in peace.) 

 

 And the next topic: justice. He grins. He makes a gun-shape with his fingers. One-click answers for everything. Injustice, he says, is also a reality. It’s in the nature of things.

 

Priority for him is taking back this culture from the Europeans, those socialist dipshits who want to protect the underdog and raise the common good.

 

There’s a thinkable point: classic ‘common good’? There is no more common good in America. And the classic American support for the underdog? – No more.

 

Natural law, you think: this man is a walking billboard for Social Darwinism.

 

I’ll tell you. Our culture has popped a couple of wheels. We now deny we are a democracy. 

 

 And to the topic of torture. Here your cousin has a strange look; his eyes come back. His smile goes round more corners than the Thomas Guide. He knows a saying, nothing is cruel if it’s funny enough.

 

You try: The church and greed. The eye of the needle?

 

He’s out of his chair again shouting you liberals want forced equality.

 

– That’s unlikely, you can tell him. Just drive through any big city: radically unequal. Some people are born with 64 crayons in their coloring box. Some born with 8. Unlikely to ever get equality from that. Unlikely to get equal opportunity from that.

 

Pictures slow him down a bit. But you need to score an argument.

 

This man boasts he’s never finished a book in his life: you don’t need books. You learn everything natural by living life. He’s righteous. And he knows what moves the people. The only true motivation people have is selfish.

 

So you nudge him: say  greed is good. Say it.

 

His eyes come back in silence.

 

So ask him: How do you build a strong society with only selfish people?

 

Reasoned points don’t bother him, they just get in the way of belief.

 

Freedom is everything, he says.

 

You press him: Bring a person outside and tell him he is free to jump 20 feet in the air. But – what kind of freedom is that, if you don’t have the natural power to use it?

 

You watch his neck pulse.

 

Strength is freedom. To this one-cylinder mentality, strength is everything.

 

So ask him: So does he trust the candidate he voted for in the election?

 

Not in particular. He idolizes strength. He votes for the strong; not for the good.

 

Somewhere, you remember: Heraclitis once said, the path up and the path down are the same. This means: somewhere in the collective unconscious, you already know the path up. That  ancient talisman, the myth of the underdog, David and Goliath.

 

To the contrary, tell him.

 

Tell him this basic: the goodness of any society is not measured by the wealth of the richest, or the strongest; but how well-off is its lowest member. The underdog.

 

Tell him: unless things change in America, he will get his inequality. The strong will get stronger. The rich will get richer. And the poor fighting for breath.

 

Drop this in the hoop: None of us is as smart as all of us.

 

Tell him:  Whereas rightists are busy finding the differences between us: believers and atheists, grasshoppers and ants, blacks and whites, rich and poor.

 

Here’s the liberal bottom line: We are all Americans. We take care of our own. 

 

He should appreciate that.

 

That’s about as complicated as a door hinge.

 

 

 

 

re.ac.tion.ary (adj.,n.) An ultraconservative, a right wing radical. The word is free for you to use.

bated (vb.) is the correct spelling, a contraction of “abated.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. It’s great that this was posted as I will be among family over Thanksgiving. On Easter this past spring, I had to leave the table when a couple of people I barely know started in with the talking points as presented by Rush and Beck. I expect one of those same people will be in attendance, so it remains to be seen whether I remain, or if I depart again. I try not to get pulled in by the baiting, but I also choose to just walk away from the bs. Oh the holidays, such a delightful time of the year especially if part of that time means associating with some really dumb wingnuts who give the appearance of being intelligent in other ways. Oh well!

    Comment by Klee | November 10, 2008 | Reply

  2. I grew up in the south, so I’ve run into this before. Not in a long while thankfully. Now the one Republican I know sends me Barack- bashing stuff, for some reason expecting me to agree. I’m a social worker who just left San Francisco to move to Canada, but this does not clue him in as to what my opinion might be. Do these guys ever crack a book? I love when they accuse Obama of being an Islamic fundamentalist, Marxist, and Hilterite thug all at the same time. Why not throw in Jacobin, Orleaniste, Digger and Royalist at the same time? You know, while we’re being inconsistent.

    Comment by Comrade Brian | November 13, 2008 | Reply

    • Some of us read quite regularly, as a matter of fact. I just finished “The Count of Monte Cristo” and “The Three Musketeers” and am currently reading Gogol’s “Dead Souls”.
      If you like literature, friend, you should try some Dumas, Dostoyevksy and Gogol the next time you have a chance. Dumas’s works are primarily concerned with adventure and swashbuckling, but both Gogol and Dostoyevsky have some interesting insights into the mind and heart of man. Fyodor’s writing is gritty, though, so don’t expect a Romantic ending.

      And many of those on the left use obscure political adjectives to undermine conservatives as well, so don’t judge so harshly.

      After all, it was the left originally that proved how effective calling your opponent a Nazi could be in getting the vote from the uneducated.

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 29, 2009 | Reply

  3. I have no idea as to WHAT you people are talking about…..but if youre White and you voted for obama…youre not a traitor……

    youre an insipid fool…

    You people have just opened the door to true racism, true discrimination…..and true prejudices based on color of ones skin…..

    Alot of White Americans have this mindset that blacks feel and think like them…….how foolish…

    Whites include while blacks exclude…..

    LOL…theyll see….and I cannot wait until the time comes to when these fools that voted this man in are ‘bit’ by their stupidity…….

    I would love to see it on video…..with popcorn and coke…..I would love to see them whail and gnash their teeth over their decisions……………………..I would love to see them brutally stomped on the ground…..

    Comment by Frank | November 24, 2008 | Reply

  4. That was stupid. Being a lib has never made me felt more retarded than reading this blog. I finally know what Camille Paglia was referring to when she wrote about snobs who can’t tell there asses from their elbows.

    Comment by Olias | November 24, 2008 | Reply

  5. I really liked this. I am more liberal than anything, but could not agree more. Honesty about the 2008 election? I did not vote because the canidate I wanted was not on the final ticket. I am very left as I’ve stated, but that does not mean I agree with Obama or that Obama is liberal. I see him as someone who presents himself in the conservative-democrat category. But yeah, things might get ugly in the future with all this discrimination. Hopefully it does not effect the USA as a whole.

    Comment by Joe | December 5, 2008 | Reply

  6. For the record, I tend to slant pretty right on a lot of issues, but this was hard to read without becoming frustrated at the grand underlying hypocrisy… You’re an open-minded liberal, but your cousin is stupid for his differing opinions. At the same time, you idiot cousin is cling to religious views for the gay marriage issue, but than can’t FORGIVE you for thinking different… You both suck.

    And, just so I have this right, you basically continue the usual left-wing view of “red-necks,” (poorly-educated, gun lovers, bible-thumping), but then glorify how you just whipped the guy’s behind in a verbal debate. Isn’t that like bragging about beating a guy with muscular dystrophy in a footrace? Not impressed.

    Your views are kind of naive, your hopes based on a reality that will never come to pass (and it’s not the right-wingers you hate so much preventing that), and most of all, think about this, you share DNA with this moron you’re arguing with. Sheesh.

    You slam “red-necks” for their clinging to religion against homosexuality, but fail to slam the black population that OVERWHELMINGLY supported prop 8 in California. Wouldn’t their vote for that proposition make them poorly educated bible clingers? Hmm…

    BTW, I’m all for them getting whatever gives them the same benefits as straight couples, for the record. I’ve never been accosted or bothered by a homo, they aren’t hurting anybody, and it’s only American to give them the OPPORTUNITY to have the benefits we all get.

    Comment by Christopher | December 14, 2008 | Reply

  7. People like the ‘redneck cousin’ described above are tools. What always appeals to me *most* is how disconnected they are from economic reality–98 per cent of them represent and defend a system they will never benefit from. Wasn’t it Ayn Rand who made disparaging examples of the left by revisiting Lenin’s characterization of the communist Bolshevik as a “useful idiot”?

    Who’s the useful idiot now?

    Brilliant stuff.

    re.ac.tion.ary (adj.,n.) An ultraconservative, a right wing radical. The word is free for you to use.

    The word is free for you to use.

    Comment by a. warren | December 17, 2008 | Reply

    • People like the ‘redneck cousin’ described above are more the products of the author’s fevered imagination than real people. One of the easiest things in the world to do is make up a caricature of someone whose political views you despise and pretend this is representative of everyone who disagrees with you. Resorting to caricatures of this sort is rampant in leftwing discourse, it is much easier than actually engaging and debating your opponents’ views.

      Comment by Joe Lammers | September 23, 2014 | Reply

  8. I do not understand your apparent fear and loathing of a “Republic.” You write, “We now deny we are a democracy.” Pardon? When have we ever been a democracy? The U.S. is SUPPOSED to be a Constitutional Republic. Our Founding Fathers knew very well the meaning of the word “democracy”, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy. In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People.

    The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by omnipotent majority. In a Democracy, the individual, and any group of individuals composing any minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of the majority. It is a case of majority over man (the underdog)–the [very likely] possibility of unlimited tyranny by the majority.

    A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control the majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect the individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the PROTECTION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY (the underdog), of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution–adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by amendment–with its powers divided between three separate branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term “the people” means, of course, the electorate.

    A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The main difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.

    Again, the U.S. is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. As for what the U.S. really is, I’d say it has become a plutocracy since that is any form of government in which the wealthy exercise the preponderance of political power, whether directly or indirectly. The U.S. is a plutocracy abetted by the mainstream media owned by the wealthy elitists.

    Of course a plutocratic oligarchy may be a better description of what form of government the U.S. is morphing into. An oligarchy would require identifying the persons or the dominant class or clique, but I think the those described above would qualify.

    Comment by lei | December 21, 2008 | Reply

  9. I would also add: Many (from Nancy Pelosi to George Bush) referring to it as such does not make it so.

    Comment by lei | December 21, 2008 | Reply

  10. Silly. The opponent in the debate is a caricature of a right wing fundamentalist and this scenario is unrealistic. Pretty typical propagandist technique: The opponent is a savage, with a low brow mentality, uneducated and unrefined. Technique: use symbols that people can relate to to identify the opponent as a fool such as gun toting, large frame, neck pulsing, verging on total loss of control of his compulsion to choke you. If there were a photo in this dialogue the redneck would be foaming at the mouth and look like a gorilla. While the narrator would appear as someone “average” upper middle class, someone like us, someone reasonable. Now we take the “elite” upper middle class who believe they know what’s right for the poor, all of us are better than one of us, and what do you get? Upper middle class sheep controlled by the exact type of people as your redneck cousin, but with about 700 billion dollars at their disposal. How foolish will you feel then when you are stripped of your pride and money, by degrees, being lied to by the people with power, so that your “educated” ego could be stroked all the way to the poorhouse.

    Comment by Phil | December 22, 2008 | Reply

    • Hahahaha!
      Witty and well-put. Good form!

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009 | Reply

  11. I have been there at “the Thanksgiving table,” so to speak. I think we all have at one time or another.

    I am trying to begin to listen more rather than to argue or “educate.” At least at first. When a person actually feels heard, actually feels understood (even if only his/her feelings are understood–not necessarily “facts”–they can put down their defenses and not need to “act out” quite as forcefully. I know I do.

    What keeps me grounded and sane and not getting pulled into an angry reaction myself is having an openness to what the other person is saying and being CURIOUS. That sense of being curious as to why a person would feel that way or react that way keeps me from flying off the handle myself and leads me to understanding and hopefully respectful dialog.

    Hopefully!

    Comment by james | December 28, 2008 | Reply

  12. Its true…if you distill someone down to such a perverse exaggeration you can’t see them, hear them, or effect any real change in their opinions. It is the same malady that infects the dialogue on the right when liberals are categorically rejected as a bogeyman embodying republican fears and stereotypes. The smug superiority that comes through in this piece makes me want to defend my redneck cousins. They may see God differently than I do, disagree with me on gay marriage and universal health care, and contain contradictions that are different than my own. But even the most conservative of them deserves to be seen with a humane sensitivity to the nuance of his/her individual being. The fundamental sickness in our society is this compression of those different from ourselves into “other.”

    Comment by PDXActivist | December 30, 2008 | Reply

  13. There’s nothing like beating up a straw man to make the ignorant feel strong.

    Comment by alex | January 8, 2009 | Reply

  14. This story is a gross caricature. I don’t know any conservatives who are remotely like the “redneck cousin” in this essay. Most are well informed and reasonable.

    Comment by Joe Lammers | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  15. Assuming conservatives or Republicans are characteristically represented by the likes of Rush, Bush, and O’Reilly is like assuming liberals are typically pot-smoking, socialist atheists. It is this kind of simple-minded propaganda that keeps us all away from meaningful, productive dialogue, whether among or between respective groups.

    Liberals seem to instinctively believe that there is no intellectual aspect to conservatism and this is easy to believe with someone like Bush in office. The “Proposition Nation”, invasion of Iraq (on his reasoning) and immigration reform ideas– these are anything but conservative. Go look up Russell Kirk if you want to know what are the major principles of true conservatism or traditionalism. Republicans who advocate or can even grasp these ideas are far and few between at present. That is how far liberalism has taken this country to the left, yet you complain about the politically weakened state of Leftism?

    Meanwhile the nation has been literally drowning in a sea of liberalism for two generations or more. Stacks of failed social programs resulting in worse conditions for the poor, increasingly unsafe neighborhoods (both worsening and more of them), excessive levels of immigration both legal and illegal, a profane “political correctness” that stifles debate even on college campuses. Wrongly applied concepts such as “true equality” or “equality of result” will eventually wear off but not before they have wrought their destruction.

    The political Left and Right are both a shambles now, but for different reasons. As citizens of a sovereign state (so far) the only guide we have is the Constitution but even it is not immune to abuse. The gift of being an American citizen is the opportunity to shape your own destiny with minimal government hindrance. Use it.

    Comment by Hannon | January 16, 2009 | Reply

    • I am glad to hear you say that.

      So few do in such an eloquent manner.

      Good form, my friend, good form.

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009 | Reply

  16. I was looking for some intelligent liberal blogs to add to my blog roll. I was going to add yours until I read this post.

    Pity.

    Ever heard the phrase ‘when you point your finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you’?

    “Progressives” who write, ahem, STUFF like this never cease to disappoint me. Intelligent, thinking individuals who are interested in respectful political banter must simply toss this kind of gibberish aside.

    Comment by Pinky | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  17. Wow. Just read the side-bar bit about Ayn Rand. So, a liberal isn’t allowed to read contradictory literature. How utterly open-minded of you.
    And I suppose a conservative shouldn’t read ‘The Audacity of Hope’?
    Is there a banned-book reading list?
    Banning books.
    Thought control.
    Hmmmmm. How creepy is that.
    I would think you’d want ultra-informed people in your political party / movement / ideology.
    I sure do.

    Comment by Pinky | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  18. Hannon makes some good points in his post. There is a distressing tendency for those on the left to portray conservatives and libertarians as lowbrow rednecks, thus freeing themselves to have to ever actually have to engage them intellectually. A suprising number of conservatives were against the invasion of Iraq and a suprising number favor the legalization of marijuana, two issues typically thought of as “liberal”.

    If you want to demonstrate your intellectual superiority, show it through reasoned argument, not by making up caricatures of your opponents.

    Comment by Joe Lammers | February 1, 2009 | Reply

  19. What? Am I the only southern conservative to dumb to understand what in the hell this post even meant? Oh, I guess not. If you are a southern conservative you are dumb. So every body from North Carolina to Louisiana didn’t get it.

    I am proud of my guns. Gun ownership is safest thing this country can have. The very first thing the Nazis did was crack down on guns…

    I had my first child out of wedlock. My faith regarded the pregnancy as a blessing. It also gave me the strength to change jobs and make that girl my wife. And now we have a second child that wouldn’t have even been born otherwise…

    If I wrote a post about a poor, inner city, ghetto minded black person stuck in the liberal mentality waiting for a handout, I would be called a racist and bigot. You do it about a conservative white southerner, and you are some sort of genius. There are probably more of my “offense” stereo types that exist than your “non-offensive” stereotypes. But that doesn’t matter to liberals… no facts required here, just feelings.

    Your blatant elitism makes me wanna dang puke

    Comment by Cameron | February 3, 2009 | Reply

  20. I am a caucasian/cherokee southerner. I am college educated, with a professional license.

    I have read a few of the “articles” on your site, but once I came to this I could no longer swallow my disgust.

    I could easily lay out one of your BS hypotheticals about debating with some dumbass socialist. However, I’d prefer to have an intelligent conversation with a real person rather than list all the dumbass arguments I can think of and attribute them to a single hypothetical individual.

    Just remember, if you critisize gun ownership, you are critisizing the BILL OF RIGHTS. The first 10 constitutional ammendments that we hold so dear. If it seems odd to someone that the right to bare arms is right up there with freedom of religion and the right to due process, maybe you don’t understand the historical significance of America. Monarchs knew better than to allow the peasants to have guns, it would subvert their power. The Second Amendment is as much about holding our own Government in check as it is for self defense.

    So go on and critisize gun ownership if you want, but remember you are using the First Amendment against the Second and are therefore a hypocrit.

    Comment by Rob | March 26, 2009 | Reply

  21. First off, Rob, it’s “Hypocrite’
    Second, the Second Amendment says “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
    As a military vet and a gun owner, I see nothing in that statement that implied the founding fathers meant for our society to turn into a gun-toting free for all, as it has now. I see every intention that gun owner would be organized into militias, or volunteer armies, and that means they are registered. Canadians register and, by and large, the average Canadian owns a gun. The difference is that Canadian use their guns to hunt and we use our guns to kill other people. If you cannot see how gun ownership causes fear and distrust and the argument of gun ownership is used by our government to distract and divide, then you are still within the “Matrix”. As for criticizing the Bill or Rights, it seems to be okay for Clarence Thomas to do it. In reality, it’s okay for every aspect of our society to be criticized. And, as a reminder, the First Amendment insures the government will not restrict our speech. Citizens restricting other’s right to free speech is a manifestation of group thinking If you have something enlightening to say, please say it

    Comment by Cindy | April 14, 2009 | Reply

    • I agree with you that people should be open to laying out and criticizing the Constitution. After all, the Founders were not perfect and, if you do agree, how can you defend something properly when you have not reviewed it in full yourself?
      As a Christian, I feel it is my duty to read the criticisms of athiests, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Marxists, Nietzscheans, and all of my fellow human beings that disagree. As an American, I feel the need to do the same with the law. Even laws that I at first agree with.
      You can’t debate an issue without knowing the opposition’s perspective in detail and not sound like a complete ignoramus.
      I still believe that any law-abiding citizen who is not legally retarded or criminally insane should be able to own and carry a firearm for self-defence. I wouldn’t mind a person having to register himself as a gun owner, though I’m not quite sure that asking someone to register every gun they own would be entirely practical.

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009 | Reply

  22. http://www.blackmanwithagun.com
    http://web.archive.org/web/20070115025334/www.john-ross.net/mistakes.htm

    Those who favor gun control favor mass murder. Maybe not right away, but they favor government holding absolute power. At some point down the road, there might be a George W Bush who is a little closer to Saddam Hussein than even the first one was.

    Or do you lefty idiots actually think that because someone is elected –in a system that makes ballot access incredibly difficult, requiring millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of signatures to get on the ballot in about half the states– they cannot be evil?

    Moreover, you idiot gun-banners have no concept of history. Throughout the entire prior 4 centuries of life in North America, Indians and blacks were both banned from equal access to guns. This produced hundreds of thousands of deaths –literal genocide of the indians, and thousands of lynchings in the South.

    To this very day, in the cities, where guns are banned, the police ride herd over blacks, sending them to jail at a vastly increased rate over suburban imprisonment. Why? Many reasons, but the first being: they are a minority in a majoritarian system.

    But what happened when the black panthers decided they would be armed, just like the whites were armed, and started recruiting young men to carry rifles and stand up for themselves? The cities banned guns, enlisting the aid of the irrational philosophy distribution centers: the churches. In helping to disarm the black community, the churches have aided in the wholesale enslavement of North American blacks.

    And Obama is the product of this kind of moronic liberal church environment.

    The Dixicrats never went away: the K-K-Klan simply sold their philosophy to the white liberals of Chicago. And that philosophy became law.

    The prohibition of both guns and drugs is not enforced in Libertyville, IL.

    It is enforced in Chicago, IL.

    White liberals are the most racist, stupid, groupthinking fascists in the world. Followed immediately by their “conservative” counterparts. There isn’t a dime’s difference between the two of them.

    For a philosophy that defends individual freedom, and protects innocent people from the ravages of immoral laws, you need to vote Libertarian, and be libertarian.

    The Libertarian Party may not win, but at least it doesn’t believe in slavery for young black men, like the “Democrats” and “Republicans” do.

    …To hell with them all.

    Comment by The Freedom Jury | April 27, 2009 | Reply

    • Amen, and well said.
      I disagree with you a little on the issue of religious institutions (not all of them are as oppressive, in my opinion), but I still think your reply was well-put, educated, and very much right on the head of the political nail.
      Keep it up!

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | July 17, 2009 | Reply

    • Wow, you got to hand it to someone who can hate all white people, even libber-als. As a card carrying libber-al, I don’t have any problem with gun ownership, but I would like to see all gun owners tested and licensed, and also all guns registered. I would like to see a severe felony conviction for anyone possessing a gun which is not registered and who is not licensed. Hell! we do it with cars don’t we???

      Now comes the response which is always that 1984 shit that Janet Reno is going to come knocking on the door of every licensed gun owner and take away their guns. Can you say paranoia, because that is what it is, pure paranoia.

      Now about Libertarians. They have now problem with slavery unless you believe that working for the minimum wage at Mcdonald’s is not slavery, and that the plutocrat Libertarians are not going to make sure that the law perpetuates that slavery.

      You black people think you were oppressed because you were slaves. Now let me tell you something, my Irish ancestors were starved to death because they were not even wanted as slaves. Their houses were burned down and they lived in ditches and ate grass because they were starving to death.
      I don’t deny that your ancestors were severly oppressed, but get over this idea that only your people had it hard.

      Meanwhile, unless you are filthy rich, you need to look more to the left for a philosophy of common sense and goodwill.

      Comment by Vince | July 22, 2009 | Reply

      • Vince, I happen not to have any real problem with registering and licensing guns.
        I just want to see that the criteria for a permit/ registration is not oppressive and allows most law-abiding citizens to own and carry a gun for protection and deterence of crime.
        I also am not a plutocrat- I am, in fact, a pragmatist/libertarian and support the idea of a minimum wage.
        As a libertarian, I do not feel the need to defend big business… just GOOD business.
        Minimum wages, when kept fair and marketable, are necessary to good, fair business in the populous system we reside in.
        And I’m not black. I merely agree with the man that gun control, in the sense that ONLY the state has a right to own and use firearms, is extremely dangerous and likely to make it easier for a malevolent governing body to oppress it’s people.

        I do agree that often in our time the black media community (in general, mind you, not as a whole by any means) sees itself as deserving of a medal for “Most Oppressed People”. The truth is that nearly every ethnicity was kept down or persecuted at some point in history. I believe that the Jewish people have had it harder than anyone; anti-Semitism has always been popular (and really is now) and every culture they have encountered has been hostile to them at some point following. The Irish, the Germans, the Chinese, and yes, those of African descent have been too. Freedom, however, is not a gift that some deserve and that others do not; it belongs to everyone but those who have done or will do injustice to another.

        Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009

  23. And sure, the drug laws are enforced in Libertyville, IL, if some cop happens to randomly come across drugs. …But the wholesale knocking down of doors, and violation of homeowners’ property rights is not commonplace there. …Because whites are the majority, and the system loves being able to violate people’s rights, steal their property, and enslave them.

    So here’s the deal: they can only do this to people who cannot defend themselves via the vote. That means urban blacks, not suburban whites. Liberal or conservative makes no difference: this system of government (like all governments) is build on slavery and brutality.

    Democrats are every bit as much in favor of brutality and slavery as the Republicans are. Both groups point the finger at each other, while raping the little man, the taxpayer.

    Only libertarians are different. The great hope is that an actual libertarian will get the libertarian nomination when the general public finally figures this out.

    A lot of blacks figure this out in prison, but by then, it’s too late, since most states deny them their right to vote. Dorenda Dixon in Illinois started a felony reenfranchisement program for this reason. She was a visionary thinker, who wanted ex-felons to begin to think for themselves, about the terrible system that had imprisoned them. She invited the IL Libertarian Party to participate in her events at University of Chicago.

    But the IL LP didn’t have many libertarians in it at that time. Most of them were ex-Republicans who only half-heartedly defended individual freedom.

    The campaign finance laws have also made it difficult to speak in defense of freedom.

    But we haven’t lost the ability to speak yet. There is simply a strong pressure against being able to speak. The funding goes to 501(c)3 tax-exempt groups, on the condition that they never speak about electoral political campaigns.

    This limitation –like the income tax itself– is a direct violation of individual rights.

    The blacks have been crippled by a lack of freedom in AmerKKKa. Stupidly, they just elected a half-black white liberal, thinking it would make a difference.

    Louis CK is right. I’ll happily remain white in today’s America. The government rarely murders whites in cold blood (unless they stop paying taxes, like those poor bastards in Waco, Texas!)

    The system is about being a good, obedient slave. If you don’t give the Federal Reserve the value of your future dollars, you are a bad slave. …And the government goons will murder you. The DEA murders people in Chicago, Houston, etc…

    In the name of fighting the concept of private property.

    Before 1907, anyone in the USA could legally own a coca plant, opium poppies, or marijuana plants.

    So tell me, what made racist congressmen of the early 1900s superior to the God or to the universe that gave us these plants? …Only their guns and their willingness to murder and enslave innocent people.

    The black preachers and white liberals signed right on to that kind of power!

    So I proclaim to you, my brothers and sisters, that the person who stands against your right to own a poppy plant is the same man who stands against your right to own a weapon of self defense. When this man came to Germany in 1938, he banned Jews the right to own weapons, and then pushed them into ovens and dumped cyanide crsyals on them to the last child.

    When this man came to Rwanda, he claimed the weapons of the Tutsis, and the government-backed Hutus murdered thousands of them. When this man came to America, he came first as the laws that forbade blacks to own weapons in 1600s Virginia, later as the man who forbade weapons ownership to the genocided natives, still later as Jim Crow laws that allowed the lynching of legally-disarmed blacks.

    Now he comes again as a half-black man sold to the long-suffering victims of American prohibition. He comes with pastors singing the praises of disarmament to the poorest slaves of the Federal Reserve System. He comes with a name of the downtrodden targets of America’s foreign wars of aggression, and a degree in teaching the US Constitution! He comes with the credentials to prove that he is not who he claims to be, and this confuses the easily-confused who trundled out to the polls and elected him in November of 2008.

    If only I could be wrong about the soul of a man who wants other men to be defenseless, while he is supremely defended!

    Comment by The Freedom Jury | April 27, 2009 | Reply

  24. I have had encounters exactly like yours too many times to count. The replies you received only show that these clods now know how to cut and paste.)

    The threat of physical violence is always there in the background-not even far in the background-as they ruin family gatherings, birthday parties and holiday meals with their rancid recitation of things they practiced in the mirror after glomming them from Hate Radio.

    No one wants to make the occaision this bozo’s ruining even worse by trying to talk to him as if he had a mind instead of a cesspool filled with Ann Coulter’s one liners and the ability to put “quotes” around anything they wish to disparage.

    The silence he manages to impose by boorish bombast and bullying he mistakenly takes for victory in the realm of ideas, not realizing that it’s only due to the humans in the room waiting for him to shut up and drink himself into the stuper that is his normal state.

    Don’t let anyone tell you you’re engaging in stereotyping the hoards of people who proudly call themselves “dittoheads” and then have the balls to demand they be treated as individuals.

    They are today’s brown shirts and, deep down, they actually do know it, so they deserve everything they get.

    Comment by Old Pinko | May 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Cut and paste, eh?
      I disagree wholeheartedly with many of the issues the rural cousin in above depiction supports. Of course, on the issues of gun control and taxes I agree, but for much different reasons.
      You really do seem to think that every individual who offers a dissenting opinion to you is a cultish follower of the right-wing media, don’t you? It really must seem impossible to you that someone out here, in this wide world, disagrees with you because he/she has weighed both sides for themselves, questioned every issue on a deep, philosophical level, spent time formulating their opinion on their own and attempted to have their voice heard or their words read in a respectful, intelligent manner.

      Not all conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists etc. absorb their political ideas from Limbaugh, Beck, Savage and O’Reilly.

      And for the record, I’m a political philosophy major from the city who spends most of his time reading Rimbaud, Rumi, Poe, Khayyim, Whitman, Blake, and Shelley. I have no rural background and strive daily to educate myself in all forms of political belief, left, right, or centrist. You should really consider showing some respect and decency (it shows intellectual advancement) to all your fellow man, not just those you side with ideologically.
      That means debating such things calmly and with dignity. Serenity and dignity are virtues rarely taught, I know, in these troubled and wearying times, but it serve anyone interested in expressing their opinion without looking like an ass.

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009 | Reply

      • *would serve. my apologies.

        Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | August 28, 2009

  25. There’s nothing more amusing that fighting bigotry by promoting stereotypes. I guess there are people like the one described in this column, but they aren’t the ones we need to be engaged with, nor are they the ones around whom we should build our defense of our values. And I resent wholeheartedly the implication that people in the south are inherently more bigoted than people in the north; having lived in Massachusetts and in Georgia, I couldn’t disagree more. There are people in New York or Chicago or Philadelphia who think that $2 is worth killing for, and people in Georgia, Alabama, or South Carolina who will give you the shirt off their backs without hesitation.

    This is what’s wrong with the political conversation in our country. People on both the left and the right make cartoons out of the opposition (and yes, people on the left and right both make themselves into cartoons as well) and pretend that they’re actually having an exchange of views. This may make you feel better in a shallow way for a little while, but it does nothing to move the country in a different direction. I do think the extreme of the right wing is unthinkingly vicious, but I don’t think it make things any better to become the left-wing mirror image of that.

    As far as I can tell, both the left and the right have fallen into the same pit: play to the media, try to say something more outrageous than the opposition, dehumanize the enemy, lift up boilerplate ideas and insist that they be followed unquestionably. Kurt Vonnegut had it right when he said, “Thanks to TV and for the convenience of TV, you can only be one of two kinds of human beings, either a liberal or a conservative.” Now everyone else is enabling TV’s demands.

    If you spend any time at all preparing to debate the cartoon described in the above post, you won’t be prepared to debate a real person, should you happen to become involved in a discussion of one. And with all due respect to Old Pinko, following his advice leads only to becoming a brownshirt of a different color. Promoting stereotypes about southerners and about people who live in rural areas is not different from promoting stereotypes about African-Americans, Muslims and Hispanics.

    Comment by Mike Howell | May 28, 2009 | Reply

  26. Anyone who thinks taking guns away from the law abiding citizens will solve the crime problem are in for a terrible awakening when totalitarian big brother goverment steps in and you can’t stop it. Worse still, the criminals will still be armed.

    Whoever thinks diversity is grand and the flood of mexicans is wonderful should take a hard look at California its bankrupt now thanks to illegals.

    And just take a good look at the collapse of our country’s economy and the whole world economy due to globalism and “free trade”. Sure we’ll get equality, we will all be equally impoverished!

    Comment by WN | June 7, 2009 | Reply

  27. What an interesting mix of people commenting on this site.

    I was going to take the OP author to task for setting up a cartoon right wing redneck so two dimensional to be absolutely unbelievable. Then I read through the comments and saw the efforts the right wingers here went to to make the OP author’s characterization of them seem more than plausible. I just couldn’t bring myself to diminish their efforts by criticizing the OP.

    Wow, guns, illegals, race, Russell Kirk, libertarians, Hitler, Rwanda, race, baring arms (short sleeves?), Pot Pol, Ayn Rand. Did we miss any chance to bolster our OP’s case?

    Comment by Merkin Muffley | June 18, 2009 | Reply

    • I believe you mean Pol Pot, my good fellow, and while some people who have hitherto commented have indeed done little to defend themselves from the stereotype employed in the article, I think most have done well in the terms of criticizing the state of American political dialogue and the inappropriate stereotyping of conservatives.

      Not all of those on the opposite side of the spectrum from the author are illiterate, dumb-witted, or even close-minded. The “other side” is home to many different species of thinkers, I’m afraid.

      Good tidings to you, and may peace be upon you.

      Comment by Brady, the Mad Libertarian | July 17, 2009 | Reply

  28. as a liberal you should embrace the differences among our fellow men and love and respect the freedom to express ourselves in a differrent fashion…..oh wait, for libs its my way or to hell.

    Comment by Anonymous | July 28, 2009 | Reply

  29. I fing this wholly offensive. I identify myself as a conservative and a republican. I am not a rube who is uneducatged. I have a bachelors degree from well respected instution, a law degree from a top 40 law school, and two masters degrees – one from an ivy league school. How did I do that HARD WORK! I am not a selfish person, but I draw the line at giving people even more of reason to slack off and hitch a free ride off the system a large fraction of my high, but well earned salary already pays for.

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    I came from a lower class family, my dad was a truck driver and my mother a waitress. I made it on my own with scholarships and grants. The opportunity is there already, there are just way too many people who are either too dumb or too lazy to take advantage of it.

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