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The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Is this a coincidence?

The heart of conservative economics is the idea that rich people’s wealth eventually benefits everybody. Rich people begin businesses, hire the poor, and pay them. Rich people spend money on goods the poorer people manufacture. So the wealth at the top “trickles down.”

We’re supposed to see a diagram here of the shape of society as roughly like a diamond, viewed from the side, with most people in the middle class. And as the rich get richer, the top of the diagram moves up, pulling lower ranks up.

But actually the bottom of society is not moving up. So as the top goes up, society just gets longer and more unequal. That’s what’s happening.

Trickle down theory is fairy dust. (But it drives a lot of government policy.) To a large extent, very wealthy people invest in things that bring no benefit for the working poor: paintings, jewelry, real estate.

What’s the alternative? Well there’s a new idea called the Winner Take All theory which says in this competitive society people have an intense drive to win. And the prize for rising to the top is that you grab it all – or a huge percentage – then the losers divide up what’s left.

A winner-take-all society has a different shape. A tall pyramid.

That shape is more accurate, because currently the top 1% of our population actually owns 40% of the wealth. This means a sharp inequality.

So are the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor?taxes

The Left is naturally opposed to laissez faire (free market) economics because it produces big wealth only for some people. What it always produces is inequality. The Left doesn’t like hierarchy (inequality) anyway, and the inequality creates great pain for the people who are left behind. The Right actually encourages social inequality. Some of them say it makes the economy run better.

There’s a statistic which population experts now use called the Gini Index. It shows how unequal a society is. It runs on a scale from 0 (perfect equality) to 1 (perfect inequality) and in the U.S. it has been increasing steadily, and it stood at 0.47 in 2005. If the Gini Index gets high, it predicts social unrest.

And there’s some new scientific research comparing nations. It shows that the more social inequality in a country, the shorter the life expectancies. For everybody. Naturally, the Right is vigorously ignoring that research. But it’s your health. That research is the single biggest threat to free market economics.

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  1. There is a difference between correlation and causation. You’re assuming the latter derives from the former (as does the article you link to).

    Comment by Isaac Freeman | June 13, 2008 | Reply

    • The economic pie is only so big, they are not only taking more, they are taking a unfair portion of the economy.

      This is fine if you are comfortable with the largest disparity of wealth in American history since the robber barons. This is fine if you are comfortable with a large population of homeless, previously known as surfs or peasants.

      Comment by Anonymous | August 14, 2009 | Reply

    • Just if you missed it, your social justice (cover name for socialism-progressivism in USA, was tried in the last 94 years at least 65 times and guess what? it always ended in debacle, ruing countries economies, people, and life.
      And if you didn’t notice (again, public schools or Harvard as well could be blamed for it) it also caused 2 world wars and many smaller one, killing over 150 million of people, mostly its own; Lenin has over 30 mil. on account. Stalin twenty more, great Mao murdered over sixty million. Dictator Pol-Pot was nothing, have killed half of population, only 3 million of his own, while trying to have them understand the goodness of Socialism; But this is all right with liberals like you, this is past, you would do it better.
      Oh…I almost forgot Mussolini and Hitler, both were Socialists too, (just in case you missed it…I know, public schooling,) and were named as man of the year in Time magazine (progressives really liked both of them. NAZI=National Socialism, just in case you didn’t know that too.
      Oh…I didn’t mentioned genocide in Africa , which is still happening there in the name of Socialism, but who will count blacks, right, those needs to be killed..(That is Socialistic view too), and South Americas Socialism, who would go to such pesky details, how many was murdered there…yes Socialism is what world needs.

      Comment by Anonymous | July 31, 2010 | Reply

    • Economical disparity is caused mostly bu governments, not because there are rich people, and a pie to share is bitten off mostly by ever hungry for someone else bureaucrats.It is interesting that most of millionaires in Congress are democrats…and how they get it, certainly not by working business and employing other, but by stealing from our money.

      Comment by arcadian | July 31, 2010 | Reply

  2. Rich people begin businesses? The statement itself is inherently ridiculous and proves you know absolutely nothing about the poor.

    What about drug dealers, pimps and hookers? Even illegal businesses are still businesses, providing a supply to meet a demand. Besides, almost all large businesses started out as small businesses. Sam Walton was not wealthy when he opened the first Wal-Mart. Ray Croc was not wealthy when he bought the McDonald’s franchise.

    All over America, poor people launch businesses either through small business loans or by pooling their resources together with other poor people and entering a joint enterprise.

    One of the ways the poorer get poorer is by enrolling in government welfare programs which only give recipients enough to survive on, and often require the recipients to attend appointments with case workers, attend various meaningless workshop or perform a certain numbers of hours of labor, thus prohibiting them from finding any real employment. Welfare is the biggest scam ever. It keeps poor people poorer, and the fact that you liberals even champion this cause makes me wonder if you guys even care about poor people at all.

    Your idiotic rant about rich people starting businesses most likely comes from Karl Marx, who never took into account the capitalist as worker, meaning the capitalist who actually work the hardest and the most hours at his own capitalist enterprise. I doubt whether you’ve ever met a poor person in your entire life, other than the maid who probably cleans your ivory tower.

    Comment by I'm Not The Only One | June 13, 2008 | Reply

    • Actually Karl Marx did indeed take into account the worker as capitalist. For the most part he termed these individuals the petit bourgeois (the skilled tradespeople at the time of his writing) He predicted that for the most part they would also be driven out of their ownership interests in their work by the capitalists – and you have yet to share a single example of where he was wrong. Now in terms of wanting the worker to own their own means of production which seems to be what you are suggesting this is the basic tenant of Marxism. So I would guess that makes you a Marxist.

      Further, just because someone is a “small” business owner does not mean that they cannot exploit labor. It does not matter if the exploitation is by Wal-mart or Mom and Pop, exploitation is exploitation and it is wrong.

      Comment by Jerry | May 7, 2009 | Reply

      • Just another mantra leftists like you like to use; exploit labor; what is that mean?
        You are hired for certain wage and if you don’t like it, then find something else or start your own business. it is simple as that. This is how many successful people have started. Of course it will require working 12, 14, 18 hour a day with no benefits, for which reason most of people stays on their but, bitching about inequality as you. Yeah, we need social justice, steal it from those who made it.

        Comment by tomas jina | July 31, 2010

  3. Cronyism is nothing new. It’s just the rate of speed with which we either do or do not “get” the information.
    It is the degrees to which we are all mislead, manipulated and financially drained.
    Of course the rich get richer.
    Of course the poor get poorer.
    When we begin to learn exact figures about all of the misadventures of the Bush Administration, it will undoubtedly be too late to retrieve anything, from the individual, to state, to nation, to international economy.
    It’s what we DON’T know and DON’T do that’s going to “sink the sub”.

    Comment by Anonymous | June 18, 2008 | Reply

  4. The only reason homeless people are the way they are is because they don’t know how to make money. In America you either work and get paid, or you sit on the street and hassle passersby for change. Homeless people should not be sympathized with unless they have clearly observable mental or physical disabilities. The government’s place in society is to ensure the safety of its citizens, not to redistribute wealth. You’re ideas might be accepted in Europe, but not around here.

    Comment by America's Voice | June 21, 2008 | Reply

    • AMEN TO THAT. WHEN ALL YOU LEFTIST ASSHOLES ARE STARVING AND HOMELESS LIKE THE PEOPLE IN RUSSIA USED, TO BE YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR STUPID EVERYONE IS THE SAME IDEAS DO NOT WORK AND THIS IDIOT WE HAVE AS A PRESIDENT IS BENT ON DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY!!

      Comment by RENE CANTIN | July 17, 2009 | Reply

  5. “America’s Voice”

    Ah, modern-day social Darwinism. This ideology just gets more and more charming every time it comes out of a Facist’s mouth.

    Comment by Gregory | June 21, 2008 | Reply

    • Quote: Ah, modern-day social Darwinism. This ideology just gets more and more charming every time it comes out of a Facist’s mouth.

      OK Mr. Fixit — you run around and help them all. Lead by example. Use your own money.

      Comment by anonymous | April 24, 2009 | Reply

      • And here is the mind trap of the social Darwinist on display, folks. Everything is a simplistic exercise of direct inputs and outputs. Their venal impatience with the finer details, their fixed obsession with grasping anything in site and their loathing of other people outside their own family prevents them from considering any complex models of organisation in making a just and balanced society. Life for people in a country like The Netherlands is vastly better than that in the USA. Because their society took the time to construct a balanced, considered community. An idea too big for the “I got mine, fck you” members of the right-wing conservatives.

        Comment by Daro | May 6, 2009

    • I think you missed one little bitty detail, when calling someone fascist;
      Fascist=Nazia’s= Socialist = Progressive…all have exact same ideology, only symbols are different. So don’t ever call someone opposing you fascist. it is your side.

      Comment by arcadian | July 31, 2010 | Reply

  6. Re: i’m not the only one that said…

    Yes you’re right, of course, poor people start businesses. (I have personal experience, I started two of my own).

    Startup businesses have a very high rate of failure. I remember a Business 101 professor saying that as a rule of thumb, 50% of new businesses fail in the first year, 90% fail in five years, depending on the industry (startup restaurants and boutiques, for instance, have an especially short lifespan), franchised startups have better chances.

    The main reason is undercapitalization. It takes money to make money. If you can’t start with a big splash, the chances of survival are slender. There are exceptions, but statistics show most launches never become big enough to hire employees for long. So they don’t really deliver trickle-down.

    When wealthy people launch new businesses they have better chances, but they may employ workers at minumum wage, so likewise, a very thin trickle-down.

    Pimps, hookers and pushers? Give me a break. That’s a Wild West economy with short life expectancies for all and neither is it easy money.

    There’s a nice description in Levitt and Dubner’s book Freakonomics (link below) where some economists actually went out and studied a subculture of crack dealers on the south city streets and find that once again, it’s the same old story: A very few at the top of the entrepreneurial pyramid have swagger; they are making good money. Meanwhile the more numerous middle level pushers are making just enough to get by. They also have to pay the man upstairs for the right to a corner on the busy sidewalk. But the majority of these hustlers are small timers and wannabes making so little they are still living with their parents: they are actually paying the man at the top for the priviledge of waiting in line to eventually be granted sidewalk territory (they make rank when somebody higher gets shot.)

    It’s just another free-market business hierarchy; the rich and the poor.

    It’s all in this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-Revised-Expanded-Economist-Everything/dp/0061234001/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214106728&sr=1-1

    Comment by leftblog | June 21, 2008 | Reply

  7. Well, actually, if you examine wealth over time, not just in an individual’s life time, the “poor” now are far more wealthy than the rich of long ago. So, bit by bit, global wealth and prosperity has indeed increased, dragging the bottom up along with the top and middle. Of course, that is not terribly comforting to someone at the bottom. Still, no matter how hard we try, we cannot force an equality of riches, especially if you expand the definition of riches to include looks, health, artistic or athletic talent, even happiness. We can’t even make sure everyone has the same number of days in their lives!

    And to the fellow who mentioned “social Darwinism…” all that tinkering with the social order is a progressive idea, not a conservative idea.

    Does every discussion of wealth and society have to end up with someone calling someone else a fascist? How about a moratorium on that word in the political arena?

    Comment by Nancy | June 24, 2008 | Reply

  8. Another reason small businesses fail so often is government regulation. They have to pay unemployment insurance, social security taxes, keep very detailed records for tax reasons (much more detailed than they would have to without income tax forms), and deal with libraries of regulatory codes which large businesses are easily able to hire lawyers to deal with.

    Comment by SaulOhio | June 26, 2008 | Reply

  9. The “poor get poorer”. What does that mean? That mathmatically they have a relatively lower income than Bill Gates? I have been in several welfare recipients households and without fail they have refrigerators, dishes, food, furniture, TV’s, VCR’s and X-box type systems. Try walking into a third world poor household. Americans don’t know from poor.

    Comment by Anonymous | June 30, 2008 | Reply

    • I don’t know where did you get such idiotic idea that capitalism should in some point convert or merged with socialism, perhaps in public schools, because those systems are principally different.
      Capitalism promotes individualism, self efficiency, freedom to peruse happiness, succeed and fail, charity based on individual decision, wanting the government as small as possible.
      Socialism on the other hand, promotes big governmental elite taking over the people, not recognizing an individual but masses of stupid children who need to be told what to eat, what to wear, regulate every their step. Through propaganda, citizens who are lad to believe without a government they are helpless victims of consequences of life.
      And if you didn’t notice (again, public schools could be blamed for it) it failed everywhere was tried, over 60 countries in my counting, where beside ruing the economy, socialism caused 2 world wars and many smaller one, killing over 150 million of people, mostly its own; Lenin has over 30 mil. on account. Stalin twenty more, great Mao murdered over sixty million. Dictator Pol-Pot was nothing, have killed half of population, only 3 million of his own, while trying to have them understand the goodness of Socialism; But this is all right with liberals like you, this is past, you would do it better.

      Comment by arcadian | July 30, 2010 | Reply

  10. There is a fudamental flaw with capitalism as it is practiced in the USA, not where it was born. capitalism was born out of feudalism in Europe.
    Capitalism per se was supposed to have evolved and at some point meet up with socialism. if the compromise could ever be achieved, we would evolve and not only survive but thrive.
    The fundamental flaw with American capitalism is the corruption of religion. No matter what one says, religion permeates everywhere, or spiritualism does, and guides a philosophy that hates man, not love man. When attempting to be scientists or secular, America adopted the biological principle of the survival of the fittest. These wo corrupting mechanism prevented Americans from learning freely, some principles of socialism. All the saw was the violence and folled thnselves into thinking that their capitalism is not enforced with violence. As they kill and kill now for about 240= years, they call others the killers. it is always the other guy’s fault.
    In true capitalism the capitalist would always re-invest, and in this way spread the wealth, as well as open markets by an never ending challange to improve lives at all levles. Capitalsm the American way, the capitalist, the one who holds all the power and has the government in his pocket, does not necessarily re-invest. he gets addicted to more wealth. The best exapmple has been the advent of the automobile and the selfshness behind it. Along with this resistance to make transportaton a public good, the greed around the auto makers sustained the greed of the oil owners etc. The samething is done with just about everything. capitalim the American way demands a level of selfshiness that the American has accepted as normal. he confused normality with the need to manage and control something. it is also normal to pee pee and caca in your pants, but civilization demanded that we evolve and invent diapers pants and toilets. The same goes for greed. Just because it is normal, it doea not mean we were not supposed to regulate and control and manage it.
    More later.

    Comment by Tania | July 3, 2008 | Reply

  11. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is true in
    in the spiritual realm as well, “To him who has will more
    be given.” Never the less it is the poor,St James says,
    “that are the rich in faith.”

    Comment by Dan B. | July 25, 2008 | Reply

  12. We are back to blaming Bush for every ill in the world today. The economic illiteracy of the populace is astounding. The hypothesis (does not deserve theory status) that socialism and capitalism were meant to merge is not worthy of comment. Socialism is a tribal function, not a civilized reality. We cannot tax and spend our way to prosperity–period. You do not get further ahead in this world by taking without the requisite giving. Only by creating wealth, creating value, rewarding initiative and fulfilling needs and wants, will more wealth be created. Taking wealth from A to give to B under the guise of “fairness” is like pouring water down a rathole. The wealth transferred is essentially wasted because B is not contributing anything back to increase the wealth available. I am not a math prof, but I know that when both parties in a transaction convert wealth to a better outcome, both parties win and overall wealth is increased for all concerned.

    Until our politicos (all denominations and parties) are held accountable for all the pork, new spending and government intrusion and expansion, we will continue to be besieged by so called saviors telling us to vote for him or her and we will tax and spend our way to prosperity. (Tongue in cheek)

    America needs to give her leaders new marching orders and I mean all politicos, stop this senseless redistribution of wealth, foster innovation, energy independence and quit worrying about what the French think of America. If they really were concerned, they would stop investing in our country and find other places to take their money.(I wish they would).

    By the way, while I am on the subject, will everyone who says we should get out of the middle east please raise their hand? If you do not fight religious terrorism there, you will fight it here, as evidenced by the twin towers and the gutless leadership of the previous President.

    Whine away people, but be extremely careful of what you wish and vote for. The big “O” is woefully ignorant of what he is proposing for our country economically, internationally and culturally.

    History will bear us out–I hope we live to read about it.

    Comment by Rob | July 28, 2008 | Reply

  13. This fixes everything:
    Loans from fractional reserve banks are inherently “liar’s loans”, the lie being, the bank is loaning money that it really doesn’t have. The result of the Fed and thousands of banks creating these liar loans is the active discouragement of thrift: I have to throw my money at something that hopefully will go up in a lot in price in order to hold onto the buying power of my money, trading the certainty of being screwed for the chance to possibly avoid being screwed at some future time. Debt-money leaks out value like a bucket with a hole in the bottom leaks out water. This is just going to keep happening until the basic cause gets fixed.

    First of all, WE NEED OUR OWN DEBT-FREE CURRENCY, backed by all of the real estate owned by the United States (which is, in fact, all of the real estate within the national boundaries, and really more than that including other nations whose continued claim to existence depends on U.S. defense of that claim; case-in-point, Kuwait, 1991), we should distribute that new currency in monthly equi-dollar amounts to all legal residents (amounts due minors to be held in trust accounts). Also, we need bankers to be held financially responsible for any loss of depositors’ money (if they want to gamble with fractional reserves, it’s the bank owners who should pay, not taxpayers, and if you lose your own money by depositing it in a fractional reserve bank, again, it’s YOU who should pay, not taxpayers. How can we ever expect things to get right with a system based on socializing losses?

    Next, we should REPLACE ALL FEDERAL NON-CONSUMPTION TAXES with a one-half percent(+/-) Tobin-type tax on ALL outgoing electronic transactions (avoidable by using cash for all transactions, and, since avoidable, the tax will be arguably being paid voluntarily) in order to:

    1. Pay off the national debt,

    2. Repair the damage that the U.S. government has done to persons and the free market by favoritism (reparations for having “Constitutionalized” slavery might be considered) and excessive regulation (e.g., we need about 4 times as many doctors and healthcare professionals as we currently have in order to have enough competition extant to get medical costs back to the realm of affordability, and we would have had them had there been a free market in medical education), and

    3. Extract and destroy excess currency as required to avoid inflation.

    No other form of Federal non-consumption tax would be allowed (this tax could go to zero when it has done its job if there is no inflation in the system).

    The monthly equi-dollar distribution amounts should be of sufficient quantity (assuming $1000, that’s $24,000 Federal tax-free per couple, plus whatever wages and other income they bring in) to be considered sufficient replacement for all forms of corporate, farm and personal welfare, including subsidies, welfare, tax incentives, Social Security (to be phased out), Medicare, the Federal Minimum Wage law, and ALL OTHER forms of Federal financial redistribution schemes; there won’t be any need for separate Federal retirement accounts since there won’t be any income or investment taxes.

    For those who like their political solutions morally justified, the monthly equi-dollar distribution amounts can be considered “justified compensation” for the denial of free access to all the property that the government has privatized.

    With everybody getting the same monthly amount, and everybody paying the same percentage increase of fiat money, there is no redistribution nor inherent injustice in the plan.

    Comment by alan jacquemotte | August 1, 2008 | Reply

  14. Loans from fractional reserve banks are inherently “liar’s loans”, the lie being, the bank is loaning money that it really doesn’t have. The Fed and the thousands of banks creating these liar loans create inflationary conditions that actively discourage thrift: people throw their money at something that hopefully will go up in a lot in price in order to hold onto the buying power of their money, trading the certainty of being screwed in the long run for the chance to possibly avoid being screwed at that future time. Debt-money leaks out value like a bucket with a hole in the bottom leaks out water. This is just going to keep happening until the basic cause gets fixed.

    First of all, WE NEED OUR OWN DEBT-FREE CURRENCY, backed by all of the real estate owned by the United States (which is, in fact, all of the real estate within the national boundaries, and really more than that including other nations whose continued claim to existence depends on U.S. defense of that claim; case-in-point, Kuwait, 1991), we should distribute that new currency in monthly equi-dollar amounts to all legal residents (amounts due minors to be held in trust accounts). Also, we need bankers to be held financially responsible for any loss of depositors’ money (if they want to gamble with fractional reserves, it’s the bank owners who should pay, not taxpayers, and if you lose your own money by depositing it in a fractional reserve bank, again, it’s YOU who should pay, not taxpayers. How can we ever expect things to get right with a system based on socializing losses?

    Next, we should REPLACE ALL FEDERAL NON-CONSUMPTION TAXES with a one-half percent(+/-) Tobin-type tax on ALL outgoing electronic transactions (avoidable by using cash for all transactions, and, since avoidable, the tax will be arguably being paid voluntarily) in order to:

    1. Pay off the national debt,

    2. Repair the damage that the U.S. government has done to persons and the free market by favoritism (reparations for having “Constitutionalized” slavery might be considered) and excessive regulation (e.g., we need about 4 times as many doctors and healthcare professionals as we currently have in order to have enough competition extant to get medical costs back to the realm of affordability, and we would have had them had there been a free market in medical education), and

    3. Extract and destroy excess currency as required to avoid inflation.

    No other form of Federal non-consumption tax would be allowed (this tax could go to zero when it has done its job if there is no inflation in the system).
    The monthly equi-dollar distribution amounts should be of sufficient quantity (assuming $1000, that’s $24,000 Federal tax-free per couple, plus whatever wages and other income they bring in) to be considered sufficient replacement for all forms of corporate, farm and personal welfare, including subsidies, welfare, tax incentives, Social Security (to be phased out), Medicare, the Federal Minimum Wage law, and ALL OTHER forms of Federal financial redistribution schemes; there won’t be any need for separate Federal retirement accounts since there won’t be any income or investment taxes.

    For those who like their political solutions morally justified, the monthly equi-dollar distribution amounts can be considered “justified compensation” for the denial of free access to all the property that the government has privatized.

    With everybody getting the same monthly amount, and everybody paying the same percentage increase of fiat money, there is no redistribution nor inherent injustice in the plan.

    Comment by alan jacquemotte | August 1, 2008 | Reply

  15. The Democrats expect something for nothing. Get your ass’s out there and work!

    Comment by Casey Shattuck | August 2, 2008 | Reply

  16. The poor get poorer is a fallacy because as in everything the government does its base on statistics and not individuals in my 60+ years I have known many many individuals who were quite poor some owning only 1 pair of shoes and through hard work are now quite well off with their children and gran children attending Universities and doing quite well on the other hand I know people that were considered wealthy that are struggling now, in most cases due to regulations that put them out of business. In our area the prime example is the fisheries. The constitutional ammendment on net bans ad turtle excluders has done away with almost 40,000 jobs, These folks were middle income folks many had only a fishing background for 20 and 30 years and were not prepared for anything else the boat owners had $300,000 to $500,000 investment but when the death knoll of new regs. came the value dropped to 60,000 to 90,000 dollars. This is only one example of unintended consequences, and a reverse redistribution of wealth causing the rich to become poor. Statistic would see an increase in poverty and the blame in your scenario would blame it on capitalism. The # of people buying their homes and improving their lot in life every day is far greater than those joining the homeless and it has to do with work ethics. I have done many jobs from washing dishes digging ditches as a plumbers helper to vice president of a bank and I also went broke under Carter when home interest rates rose to 21% I had almost $300,000 earned on the homes I built and pre-sold butpeople couldn’t close due to the increase in the % rate I lost everything and had to start over again I’ve never fully rcovered but my family has never gone hungry and we have never taken a government handout either. I’ve had to do jobs that theoretically made me underemployed but we have a strong family unity and our pride so I say keep the government as unobstrusive as possible and remember every action has a reaction. Poor people are not a monolithic group they are made up of individuals not a statistic we are not victims. The biggest help we need is for goverment to get out of the way.

    Comment by Michael O. Crocker | August 17, 2008 | Reply

  17. Google politican and arrest, get 2,500,000 results. Google liberal and arrest, get 3,950,000. And googling CEO and arrest is now up to 1,900,000.
    So, your point exactly?
    Hope you don’t vote with google.

    Comment by look again | August 29, 2008 | Reply

  18. I have voted Democrat since 1968. After reading this crap, I will definitely vote McCain. One fewer of you – One more of them!
    Get the REAL deal on Palin:
    http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/

    Comment by Another Democrat voting for McCain | September 17, 2008 | Reply

  19. It is sociological…The Lions and the Foxes, one group is in charge and wealthy. The other group gets upset and wants to throw the first group out. They want to be powerful and
    rich, so the second group figures out how to over throw the first. It continues over and over again through history.

    Comment by Sheryl Wardle | September 19, 2008 | Reply

  20. Democracy is mob rule. In the United States the mob has lost trust in reliable leadership so the Democrat Party thrives by transferring wealth and expanding its voter base through promises of government payment. The living Constitution is put on life support and Karl Marx rejoices in Hell.

    Comment by of mice n' glen | September 27, 2008 | Reply

  21. The poor are *not* port because the *want* to be poor! They are just too lazy in most cases to do anything about it. …and if they do get money, they spend it on booze, smokes or huge flat screens. I may 65k a year. All the people bitching about being poor drive a better car than I do. They eat steak more than I do.

    Why? Because I save my money. I own more land than they do and I buy cars with cash.

    The poor are poor because they either squander their money or they won’t get out and make it.

    There are those that have actually been handed a bad deal. Welfare, food stamps and other programs were developed to help those people, that was a good thing. …until the Obama Victimization Method used by politicians to buy more votes.

    Appeal to the crying babies and they’ll vote for you. Its easy to control someone that is essentially a slave. Poor people are slaves. I am not. But, Barak and the liberal left don’t like that. In their lies to liberate the poor, they are actually seeking to enslave me too.

    UP YOURS! I’ll never be poor. I don’t give a flying crap what they do to me. …and I’ll never vote for someone who tries to buy my vote.

    Comment by Nathan Ranger | October 12, 2008 | Reply

  22. RE. “I’m Not The Only One.”

    I Just got here, but I couldn’t let this go uncorrected.

    I believe you misread the original post. The author was saying that, “Rich people start businesses etc.”, is the heart of the IDEA of conservative economics.
    He wasn’t saying that’s how it ACTUALLY IS.

    Your argument that many poor people also start businesses, helps to make his case that the IDEA, (trickle down economics) is flawed.

    Then you go off in the fog of your confusion and rant about “Welfare” being the biggest scam EVER!
    Not even close. We can get a little bit closer to accurate by adding “Corporate” to the beginning of your sentence, but that still doesn’t even come CLOSE to the WAR IN IRAQ, when it comes to scams!

    That SCAM has not only cost hundreds of billions of dollars, but hundreds of thousands of human lives as well.

    And now I’m down here at the bottom of the page and I see Nathan Ranger’
    comments.
    I don’t even know where to begin. WAY too much ignorance and anger!
    You may have some money, but you will probably always be poor.

    The fact that you don’t give a flying crap about what they do to you, is why they keep on doing it to you . . . and you don’t even get it!
    So you go on and vote for McCain. He won’t buy your vote.
    But he sure as hell will make you PAY FOR IT!

    Comment by Mick | October 31, 2008 | Reply

  23. RE. “of mice n’ glen” (comment 20)

    You started your comment with a false declarative. (Watch a lot of Fox News?)

    Democracy is NOT mob rule.
    Democracy is MAJORITY rule.

    Do you think the Mafia has elections to determine who their Bosses will be?
    Do you think the villagers took a vote before they set Frankenstein on fire!?

    Besides, America is NOT a true democracy.
    The election of 2000 illustrates that pretty well.

    And what about the Pledge of Allegiance . . . and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.

    Comment by Mick | November 1, 2008 | Reply

  24. Like so many fictional renditions of reality we see today your essay is rife with bogus statistics, fake expertise, and the fallacy of assumed authority. To speak to an audience that is actually concerned you must somehow show or prove you are worthy of respect. Merely having a web site is not proof of trustworthyness. Like the NYT and the entire print media, once the public realizes how silly the vast majority of “sources of information” like yourselves actually are, they will stop listening. The problem is how much damage you do in the meantime. Much like the naive respect students show to their imbecile professors, you have an audience that thinks there is a real dialogue going on here. There isn’t. So, when I send this response to you I will leave this page never to return because I already know that the quality of your contributors and creators is as developed as that of a group of junior highschoolers. Adios.

    Comment by suibne | November 15, 2008 | Reply

  25. Wow, couldn’t have guessed that this was written by a college professor…

    How about some new ideas? This one is so tired and old, and I could have channeled the responses in my sleep.

    I think that we should stop supporting people like this who contribute nothing to society.

    Anyone who actually believes this is too stupid to make a difference, and the time spent on responding is simply wasted. Now back to actually doing something…

    Comment by Charles | December 4, 2008 | Reply

  26. As I read this article I could see why our country is going down the tube. “The Heart of Conservatism” is free enterprise Capitalism and the death of America is Socialism.

    The sooner we minimize the left wing Democrates who want everyone to be a miserable as they are, the sooner we get our
    country back.

    http://www.saveyourcountry.org

    Comment by John | December 17, 2008 | Reply

  27. A bit of actual press coverage would have been not, rather than leftist blogs and speculation. Whose side are ou any way… I just wrote the RNC asking similar questions and as an indie voter I have numerous ?’s for the DNC as well!!!

    Please site credible inf0o before adlinking your tripe to gmail.

    Thanks,

    One of the few who still have a mind…

    Comment by Dr. Strabnelove | December 29, 2008 | Reply

  28. I was Googling for websites dealing with advice on how to survive without a job and health insurance when I came across this one. Some of the comments on here are really scary. Individuals don’t have near enough control over their lives because money is power and power is control. America is evolving into a fascist police state with private ownership of the wealth, and slavery for everyone else. Even those die-hard individualists are occasionally hunted down and murdered to send the rest of us a message. I hope I either die or emigrate before that happens…

    Comment by Bonnie, Las Vegas, Nevada | January 1, 2009 | Reply

  29. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

    Why? The rich keep doing what rich people do and the poor keep doing what the poor people do.

    Wanna be rich? Do what rich people do.

    I know it ain’t easy, that is why they get rich doing it.

    Comment by Ed Johns | January 23, 2009 | Reply

  30. The stupid left if its in crises the right wing party is dead and decomped grotesly since 1988 bush 1&2 have been disgraces to the right Clinton and obama both suck always have always will the government is the enemy of any succesful economy cut taxes and regulation and get rid of unions and with in 16 years Americas economy would trample all other because The American worker is the best the government need to prosecute the leader of those banks and give the taxpayer back the money they stole from us

    Comment by Terry | January 24, 2009 | Reply

  31. What a farce, Your site is awful!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Comment by Anonymous | February 20, 2009 | Reply

  32. The idea that the problems can be blamed on left or right is based on falsehoods and fallacies.
    Both left and right are more a part of the problem than the solution. Also there are no defining lines or principles to determine exactly what makes one left or right.

    Comment by Paul | February 26, 2009 | Reply

  33. I’ve looked over your viewpoint and am still a Conservative. The viewpoint of you liberals makes no sense to me.

    Comment by Martha | March 17, 2009 | Reply

  34. You people are nucking futz…You really ought to take a serious look at the plethora of pathetic poll results that you’ve taken on your site..step away from the Kool-aid.

    Comment by GL | March 30, 2009 | Reply

  35. American’s, You tried your best, now give up this silly thing and come back to the King, he will accept you with open arms….

    Comment by Captain Morgan | April 8, 2009 | Reply

  36. As a libertarian-type person, I resent you liberals seeing us as the side you’re against.
    Anyone who really wants to understand issues like how we got into the current economic mess, and if this government intervention is really to help us, PLEASE learn more about the Federal Reserve.
    You Pelosi-loving liberals are in favor of tougher regulation? Then why is no one in government besides Ron Paul arguing for more regulation on the Fed? Are you liberals really in favor of a central bank that exclusively controls all our money, being run by a small group of richer-than-God, international private bankers? Someone tell me why the Fed has never been audited and why you’re against handing control of our money back to the people’s representatives – Congress.

    Comment by James11 | April 9, 2009 | Reply

  37. Like many people with attention deficit disorder, I have never made much money. In fact, I consider myself, by American standards, quite the pauper. However, that fact has never induced me to think it is proper for the government to forcibly take (i.e., steal) money from some in order to give it to others–or to bring about any kind of system that would somehow generate an economic equality among all Americans. Modern day liberals are nothing more than envious fools who will stop at nothing to take money from some American citizens in order to give it to others who have no rightful claim to it–and to take much of what is left and force us to join in on your lame ideas of what retirement and medical programs should be.

    Comment by Kevin | April 18, 2009 | Reply

  38. The people who put this blog together are either ignorant or stupid, maybe both. Or perhaps stupid and they don’t know it

    Comment by J.F. Duvivier | April 23, 2009 | Reply

  39. Totally left out of the discussion is the fact that an individual will most likely fit into all of the wealth categories over the course of his or her life. Just out of school? You’re probably poor. As you work and advance your career, you get wealthier. Have kids, and you’re set back a notch. Keep working, the kids move out, you pay off your house, and you’re rich again.

    If you want to get wealthy, there are really only three things you need to do:
    - Don’t have a kid before you’re ready (married and somewhat financially stable).
    - Don’t get hooked on anything addictive (drugs, alcohol, gambling, expensive hobbies).
    - Buy a house that you can actually afford, and don’t even think about touching the equity in it.

    And Tania? Thanks, but Marx was an idiot; his economics were based on Ricardo’s Labor Theory of Value, which is provably false.

    Comment by woody | May 6, 2009 | Reply

    • Actually Woody, the idea of reinvestment of profits is not a Marxist idea of Capitalism, it is on of Adam Smith’s assumptions of what must occur for the Invisible Hand to work. When profits are not reinvested under this theory of Capitalism, the system does not work. There are other assumptions of Smith that also clearly do not exist in our current system – a multitude of buyers and suppliers so that no one party controls prices, no externalization of costs, and perfect information to name three to add to the reinvestment assumption. This is part of the reason we are seeing the exact failures of capitalism predicted by Marx and Engels.

      Comment by Jerry | May 7, 2009 | Reply

  40. If anyone subscribes to the trickle down theory, they should visit Africa, especially the resource rich countries. I haven’t noticed any appreciable trickle down in those places – lots of poor people, few extremely wealthy aristocrats rolling around in Benzes. Dickensian London was also a place of extreme wealth polarity. The last 170 years have changed nothing about human behaviour. Humans are greedy as are all creatures, social unrest is the cure for extreme greed. I see no end to the current crop of greedy buggers.

    Comment by Fred | May 7, 2009 | Reply

  41. I’ve been using this analogy and near-exact discussion since Reagan was campaigning for President.

    It was true then, it’s true now. Wanna see what trickle-down economics results in?
    Look at society from the beginnnig of recorded history right up to the labor movements’ beginnings in the late 1800′s. Did the wealth trickle down? Simple answer. No.

    The result was a few filthy rich aristocratic families surrounded by grindingly poor peasants basically eating their shit. Is that the type of society YOU want to live in?

    Probably not, but I betcha it IS the type Gingrich, Limbough, McCain, Hatch and those other snakes want to live in. And, why? Obviously. Their families will be among the aristocrats. They want to be like the Saudi princes who get to torture people for FUN, video tape it all and watch it at home, later, while screwing and brutalizing their favorite sex slave of the month.

    Comment by DavidBodhi | May 7, 2009 | Reply

  42. Economists Agree: No New Economic Systems Will Ever Be Discovered
    Mainstream economists have reached the conclusion that there are no new economic systems to explore, and that from now on world leaders will just have to tweak the patchwork of systems they have.

    When asked about the comparatively recent discovery of binary economics and its practical applications (ESOPs, Capital Homesteading and Justice-Based Management), almost every economist interviewed scoffed at the possibility of new developments, one even going so far as to say, “Keynes said it, I believe it, and that settles it,” and another, “If God wanted us to explore a new economic system, he would have told Keynes to tell us about it.”

    When reached for comment, Norman Kurland, president of the Center for Economic and Social Justice, noted:
    “Well, the core theory behind it HAS only been around for fifty years – I guess we could wait another fifty for the mainstream to catch up – or people could go to http://www.CESJ.org to learn more and start changing the world now.”

    If you believe that there is more to discover in the field of economics, please visit http://www.CESJ.org today.

    Obviously, the above “press release” is a parody at the expense of mainstream economists. But there is truth backing it up, and this is an opportunity for you at the Left Blog to break one of the biggest stories in history.

    Because there IS a new and different economic system – binary economics – that could begin to close the rich/poor gap and spread capital ownership through this nation and the world. It’s been around for 50 years, and it is the working basis for the ESOP, created by Louis Kelso. It is real.
    All I ask is that you look into this, call Norman Kurland, president of CESJ at 703-243-5155, read the material on CESJ.org, and see for yourself the potential of this “Just Third Way” between capitalism and socialism. Start here to get a feel for this material:

    A simple grid comparing systems:
    http://cesj.org/thirdway/comparison3rdway.htm

    The flyer for the book “Capital Homesteading”
    http://cesj.org/publications/capitalhomesteading/whatif-flyer.pdf

    The book, free of charge
    http://cesj.org/thirdway/paradigmpapers/pressclub-nkmgdb-ppr.htm

    After that, all the in-depth information you need is in Norm’s head and in the CESJ.org library.

    Please, take advantage of this opportunity to help turn the country and the world in a new, more hopeful direction.

    With greatest respect,

    Stephen Roy
    http://richpoorgap.blogspot.com/

    Comment by Steve | May 27, 2009 | Reply

  43. First of all, all governments, be they republican, democrat, liberal or conservative are all inherently communist. This is evidenced by the fact that the most successful political party in America has been the socialist party of America, eventhough, they haven’t seen power. Approximately 75% of their 1928 platform has been adopted by successive democratic and republican regimes since. So this being the case, anyone who purports that it is the “free market” that perpetuates poverty needs an education. Capitalism is the antithesis of government and as far as I know there has always been government except for ancient Ireland, medieval Iceland and colonial Pennsylvania so how can someone say the “free market” is causing poverty? Capitalists don’t believe in a central bank ie The Federal Reserve, Capitalists don’t believe in alphabet soup governmental regulatory agencies such as the sec, fda, fdic, the ftc and many many others that are put in place by large corporations lobbying governments to eliminate competition from marginal competitors all in the name of “protecting the consumer” when in actual fact are usually set up
    so that their companies don’t have to continually compete with higher quality products with lower prices. The government regulations protect the producers at the expense of the consumers hence the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. There are telephone book sized books on regulations of commerce in the United States today. So how can you blame “the free market” what “free market?” Perhaps it’s the regulations that are causing the the great income differentials between so called rich and poor by shutting out marginal businesses due to high startup costs with government red tape and evil minimum wage laws making it illegal for anyone to work below minimum wage and thereby to be sentenced to a lifetime of institutionalized poverty due to his marginal productivity being less than minimum wage. All designed by immigrant hating, genuine free trading hating, anti child labour pro child poverty, pro child prostitution pro child starvation, pro homelessness union policies. Or how about the evil socialist inherently bankrupt central banking policies of the Federal Reserve where they are legally allowed to lend out 10 times more money than they take in causing boom and bust business cycles? The central bank sets policies on a whim, disequilibrates the market and the market has to react to the actions of the socialist central bank trying to bring the market back into equilibrium. In a Capitalist economy, it is the marginal buyers and sellers who determine the market prices, or in other words the sovereign consumer with his buying or his abstention from buying sets the stage of what gets produced and what doesn’t get produced, who will control the means of production today and who will lose control tomorrow. His action of buying or not buying determines who is rich today and poor tomorrow, what the wages will be and the quantity and quality of what is bought and sold. Not a government agency. Has the government ever created anything? No. When seatbelts were invented the government regulated the use of them in every car sold from then on. One of the founders of the once mighty great republic called the United States of America, a country conceived in liberty which has unfortunately lost its way since 1913 had this to say about a central bank. The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. In fact since the inception of the evil socialist federal reserve banking system in 1913 we have seen the us dollar go from 1/20.67 dollars per ounce of gold to over 1/950.00/oz of gold about a total 100% complete devaluation. In other words, items that cost a penny then are approximately $1.00 today. Think of what the price of bread used to be or even a postage stamp. Up from 1 cent to .44 today. Oil from .10c/barrel to over $70.00 today. This is all the workings of a socialist central banking system brought to the American people courtesy of the Rockefellers and Warburgs to finance their empire in asia and the Morgans and Aldrich’s to finance their empire in europe during world war one.
    A capitalist economy is one that knows no barriers to trade goods or immigration, is based on private property and the division of labour using a market decided commodity usually gold or other precious metals as a medium of exchange where peoples standard of living is continually being increased by higher real wages through increased innovation, high level of capital investment per hired worker thereby increasing productivity, falling prices costs and profits. A system that is against aggression and war. A system where anyone is free to work anywhere in the world unmolested by foreign exchange barriers or immigration barriers. Where labour and capital is free to leave unproductive and over populated regions of earth and move to more productive and lesser populated areas of the earth thereby bringing about the greatest amount of income and standard of living equality throughout the world. Statistic bear out that life expectancy and hence world population since the beginning of the industrial revolution and the relatively “free markets” man has enjoyed and has brought about an explosion in world population from about 500 million to over 6 billion today. How could a socialist be sure that he would be one of the lucky one out of three who would have made it if Capitalism didn’t come about? 2 out of every three people owe their lives to the semi capitalist conditions we live in today and the more capitalistic conditions of the 18 and 19th centuries. A socialist system without private property no markets and no method of calculation and no profit motive ie incentive would be pure chaos. How would we know how to allocate resources? We wouldn’t have a car a plane, a computer, a radio, tv, central air conditioning and heating or food to feed itself. In the words of a socialist hero hobbes life would be nasty brutish and short. The common worker of today enjoys a much higher standard of living today Kings and Queens of just a 150 years ago couldn’t dream of. So quit blaming the “free market” as capitalism is the only system that respects private property, individual rights and freedom unlike socialism that uses force and coercion at the point of a gun. Just remember that approximately 4 times more people have died at the hands of their own governments and in the name of socialism than died in all the wars fought during the 20th century. The choice is clear Capitalism = freedom, private property and individual rights anti-war. Socialism = poverty misery and death, imperialism and war. If only every Socialist could read The Black Book of Communism. Crimes, Terror and Repression published by Harvard University Press by ex disgruntled communists who painstakingly researched the government records and archives of the former Soviet Union after the fall. 800 pages of jaw dropping accounts of the mass slaughtering of human beings all in the name of Karl Marx and wrong headed ideas. I’m sure they would seriously think otherwise of the support of socialism. According to Marx, costs are determined by the cost of labour. Well see this shit in my hand? It cost me $20.00 dining at the Scratch n’ Sniff last night so that’s the price to you my cost of $20.00 so now buy it. What you don’t want to buy shit oh I guess it’s worth exactly what someone is freely willing to pay for it ie marginal utility and that is zero but a marxist would still insist of getting his $20.00 for his cost the labour of preparing eating and purchasing of the meal to manufacture it. What a joke. Take a look at what the government runs and regulates compared to private business and the profit motive designed to help consumers get what they want. Look at the civil engineers job of the levies in New Orleans during Katrina, the washed out bridges and roads all designed and engineered with government minimum standards and regulations, Look at the depleted fish stock regulated and commonly owned by the government. Look at the failing socialist school system with it’s crumbling infrastructure. Look at the common roads and highways with all the potholes and traffic jams. Look at the failed highly government regulated non “free market” health care system. Well just look at what happened to Bear Stearns, AIG, Lehmann Brothers, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, General Motors and Chrysler and many others we don’t even know about all communized courtesy of the Federal Reserve’s past and present fraudulent counterfeiting money lending schemes. Socialists, Communists and Fascists of America rejoice, your dream, the dreams of Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Franco, Hitler, and Musolini have been vindicated America has adopted the policies of Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto and surrendered and appears to have ultimately lost the cold war and all other wars fought against fascism and communism by adopting the very same dark evil and sinister ideas that have never worked and never will work that millions have died in vain fighting against so that we the people can exercise our right to democratically vote and to nullify those who fought for the very values and principles of Liberty The United States was founded on. A lot of these soldiers died not even having seen their 25 birthday, never fallen in love, married had children all so that they and all their efforts can now be swept away. The equal sharing of the misery has come true with a lower standard of living, has been falling since 1973, increasing unemployment, wiped out savings, the coming total devaluation through hyper inflation of the US dollar and the complete bankruptcy of the United States to the tune of $54,000,000,000,000.00. Trillion. America is now a facist/communist country with lots of poverty to share and with the so called $750 billion bailout package turning into a magical 7.5 trillion dollars courtesy of the Federal Reserve, to further erode the value of each dollar currently outstanding today, everyone in America may wake up millionaires in a year or two unfortunately it wont be worth anything but perhaps kindling for burning wood for heating one’s home or for wall paper or filling wheel barrows to take to Starbucks. Just remember, it’s cute when an eagle or another animal is featured on the currency, a country starts heading down a slippery slope when dead people are featured and if and when Barack Obama or the treasury secretary’s picture or any current living president’s face appears it is time to head for the hills.

    Please excuse any grammatical or spelling errors as this was hastily done late at night.

    Comment by mvk | June 7, 2009 | Reply

    • Great Rant! We have not had Capitalism in this country for some time. It’s a pity that some people think that this Crony Capitalism/Corporatism is the Free Market. Only the government can enable this evil Military/Prison Industrial Complex that everyone is forced to pay for. Prison guard unions donate millions to defeat drug law reform initiatives etc. Socialism/Communism is evil and a proven loser in creating wealth and better living conditions. It can only make everyone poorer. The Plugged-In Elite with friends in the Fed get richer because they get handed Trillions of new bills printed out of thin air and they spend it first while impoverishing the rest of us with hyperinflation.

      Comment by mvk fan | July 9, 2009 | Reply

    • Amen to it. Well said, but I am afraid no leftist will read more the third of it. The truth is painful.

      Comment by arcadian | July 31, 2010 | Reply

  44. sorry the reply by me was intended for the top one The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Is this a coincidence?

    Comment by mvk | June 7, 2009 | Reply

  45. The rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what rich people do.

    The poor people keep getting poorer because they keep doing what poor people do.

    The poor have to quit seeing themselves as victims and quit blameing every body else for their problems.

    Comment by ELJ | August 14, 2009 | Reply

    • That’s a gross simplification. A logical fallacy even. Your starting off with the assumption that everyone’s motivation is your own: self-enrichment at the expense of others. Teachers, nurses and fireman could all enrich themselves by extorting their customers under the rich man’s “charge what the market can bear” philosophy but they don’t. You wouldn’t want them to either. In fact, your counting on it.

      Comment by hidflect | August 14, 2009 | Reply

      • Well, what can I say, If you don’t want to have wealth, why bitch about others that do. ( Motivation.)

        The USA is the land of opportunity not guaranteed results.

        Poverty is a matter of perception. I am very poor compared to Bill Gates. The poor in this country are very wel off compared to the poor in Africa. They are victims of their own victim mentality.

        Comment by ELJ | August 15, 2009

  46. I’ve never known a poor person who gave me a job. I do know several rich people who have given me a job. Would the majority of progs on the website prefer the former or the latter?

    Comment by JD in Marietta | March 3, 2010 | Reply

  47. I am sorry.. but.. do you liberals know anything about reality?
    Do you understand that freedom is always better?

    Where is social security. it is BANKRUPT.. it could have been funded FOREVER if all the money collected went into a the lowest interest bearing account.. did that happen? NOPE.. SPENT>. every penny.

    You liberals HATED George bush.. but you want to give OBAMA a ton of power.. that will one day go to the next GW in office.

    ARE YOU INSANE?

    Dont you want decisions made at a local or state level where you can acutally go and SIT IN THE OFFICE of the idiot that put some horrible legislation in place?

    isnt that BETTER?

    If the rpublicans you hate so much took over.. and used all the power you gave obama .. where do you GO?

    Folks.. read the conistitutiona.

    WE need to preserve the right to vote with our FEET… move to states with better schools.. or worse schools if that is yhour preference.

    What are you liberals THINKING?

    You are all COMPLETE BOBBLE HEADS>. obama is a CHICAGO POLITICIAN!!!! he put CHICAGO THUGS in power.?

    ARE YOU hearing wht they say?

    TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY CRISIS!!!!!! that is SICK.

    sorry.. libs.. you are about to face a HUGE wave of FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS..

    Comment by Kent J | March 23, 2010 | Reply

    • I do not agree with you in the slightest.. and insulting the other side with generalizations certainly won’t prove your point. I’m just a liberal who wants the best for America. Just like you’re a conservative who wants the best for America. Let’s see how far it takes you.

      Comment by Patrick | November 26, 2010 | Reply

  48. You can stay in your little leftist hate bubbles all you want and WASTE YOUR LIFE IN HATE,I really don’t give a crap but when you GO OUTSIDE and try to talk THIS BULL be careful in the REAL WORLD.You think ‘Lefties’ agree with you TO THE POINT OF BURNING DOWN THE COUNTRY you are just as stupid as the crap written here.

    Comment by tim | May 14, 2010 | Reply

    • I’ll stay in my leftist hate bubble as long as your stay in your “rightist” hate bubble. Certainly doesn’t look like love to me.

      Comment by Patrick | November 26, 2010 | Reply

  49. Why to beat around the bushes,The Winner Takes all is a Dictatorship, and if you miss it, failing every time it has been tried.
    Poor people are poor mostly because they have no drive to get out of it, especially when welfare states are giving them enough to live on. The 2% of rich who owns most are those who are willing to take a risk, work long hours and go after their dream.(I am not counting in it rich congressman and lawyers who are rather stealing the money then producing.)

    Comment by arcadian | January 7, 2011 | Reply

  50. Same reason I feel any other civilizations out there have made it and why their is aliens. The things we could all accomplish if we all could work together and put our best brains in pushing technology or fixing pollution and actually main problems in this world and not this fucked up monetary system. Every year they change just a few things about products like HIgh definition and smaller phones. you will all just fall into a poor pocket and get lazy and fat because instead of improving things they change it few things at a time when honesty they could of just done it all at once or should just make something new entirely. honestly its all just to make you buy their new product yay. Its stupid. Its fake so that rich people who realize the truth can still live a good long happy life and then die and they don’t care what happens to the earth or all the problems this system causes because its gonna be up to future generations to fix it. But its to late so thats why I say put it all on the line and go big and live happy cause its your only life and every minute that goes by your close to death. So how do you wanna live.

    Comment by Stephen H | June 26, 2013 | Reply

  51. Thing is people its all true. Think about it just because some guy started small the odds are always against you of becoming rich. Just because sam walton started small he still had enough money to start a business. Do you understand people are born poor and some are even lucky to have something to eat and drink a day!!! The rich bleed us and they don’t have anything to worry about because of money… Even this fake social media world. Its all competition and its all about getting money. Even at school or work, the sooner you realize your fellow class mates or employees are also our competetion to rise to the top, while someone is already in the big chair bossin you around becase what hes better than you? Only age differs us. were all human and if we all threw this system out together. If everyone could work together, help each other and move up as one nation one world, our technology would be way more advanced everything would be better but This monetary system is giving us a new life blood and competition between one another to live better than another. Don’t you ever fuckin wake up in the morning and realize what your life is like and whats already in store for you? As if your in the middle class. Your always going to be chasing money an by the time your 40 your going to look back at your life and hate that you spent your life woking and stressing and paying bills. Our life played out. Im 19 and just like if your playing poker I’m going all in because theirs nothing to lose. Im going to make it somewhere or try to be famous because this sense of life and american dream is a fake way to reel you in just to make some one else richer.

    Comment by Stephen H | June 26, 2013 | Reply

  52. That’s true on this society. Being rich or being healthy, which would you prefer? Money is not the most important thing in life. I think your health is the utmost factor that you need to pay attention too. Some rich people don’t know about this important thing. They try to get richer until one day, tons of money, weak health, what’s the point to have money? Even though money is important but your health is more important.

    Comment by John | December 6, 2013 | Reply

  53. the socialist myth of the rich that are getting richer and of the poor that are getting poorer is a lie

    Comment by Iakovos Alhadeff | February 5, 2014 | Reply

  54. If you want to improve your knowledge keep visiting this site

    Comment by Elder Scrolls | April 6, 2014 | Reply


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